
Wake Forest's Ian DuBose passes under pressure from N.C. State's Dereon Seabron.
Wake Forest learned last week that improvement could come in a hurry.
They learned this week that it could go away just as quickly.
The Deacons pushed Florida State to the brink on Feb. 13, losing to a top-25 program by playing some of their best basketball of the season. Seven days later, they’re staring at two blowout losses, most recently an 80-62 loss to N.C. State on Saturday, where they couldn’t have looked more different.
“Because I think it’s just great proof of you’re either getting better or you’re getting worse everyday, right?” Forbes said. “And so I really felt like — and I wasn’t shy in saying this — I felt like on Monday and Tuesday in practice, our players approached practice like we had kind of beaten Florida State and we hadn’t.
“So I thought they were way too comfortable. Not the edge that they needed. And that’s my job. I’ve got to change that, and so I tried and obviously I didn’t do a good job.”
First, a quick review of the rematch with N.C. State. Wake Forest had 19 turnovers, and the Wolfpack converted into 28 points. They galloped in transition, with 19 fastbreak points, and they dominated inside: N.C. State had 34 points in the paint, exacerbated early by foul trouble with both Isaiah Mucius and Ody Oguama.
But for the second straight game, the Deacons saw a team pull away in the first half. And Wake Forest coach Steve Forbes circled back to issues he’s circled since he got with the team and started ironing out its identity.
His team struggles in transition defense, the coach said, it’s never handled the battles for 50-50 balls well. Forbes mentioned effort when talking about both. And that effort lacked in these last pair of games. Against Duke on Wednesday, an 84-60 loss, Forbes got ejected for double technical fouls and afterward, said his defense didn’t establish a presence. He mentioned the same on Saturday, and that was reflected by his players.
“I think a lot of the games that we played in, even if we had lost, you could see our effort was there,” Isaiah Mucius said. “We gave it our all and we fought and we made them earn that win. I think these last couple games defensively, I think we didn’t make them earn it.”
Compare the two games against N.C. State, for example. Wake Forest still had the same issues of possessing the ball — it was one of two games the Deacons’ set their season high of 20. But still, there was Wake Forest, tightening the game up in the end. It still turned into a loss, but the 72-67 result could be stomached.
The last two games, they haven’t been to Forbes.
““Every team has to play a certain way to be successful,” Forbes said. “And our way is our way, and it’s a very small margin of error.”
The 50-50 balls can’t be pointed out in one specific place. They ribbon through the entire game. It’s that midcourt battle that turns into a needed possession, a basket inside after an offensive rebound or that bang-bang play that can start a break.
“That’s just kind of where getting out toughed and out played kind of shows up for this team, I would say,” Ian DuBose said. “Unfortunately we work hard, but those plays are the big momentum plays, the momentum swings that don’t really show up in the stat book.”
Forbes had elaborated on that point just before. And now the Deacons have four games left to try and move on from a disappointing pattern that followed a season high point.
“Some guys understand the value of that, and they dive on it and they get it with two hands, and they understand that they just got a possession,” Forbes said of 50-50 balls. “Some guys don’t. Some guys don’t like the physical contact of it. It hurts. It’s a tough play. It’s a winning play. It’s a winning play.”
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Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) shoots under defense from NC State forward Manny Bates (15) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (15) dunks over Wake Forest guard Jonah Antonio (20) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (15) celebrates after dunking on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Dereon Seabron (1) shoots under defense from Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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N.C. State forward Jericole Hellems (4) dives on a loose ball under Wake Forest guard Carter Whitt (35) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Ian DuBose (11) shoots under defense from NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) shoots under defense from NC State forward Jericole Hellems (4) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Carter Whitt (35) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) shoots over defense from NC State guard Cam Hayes (3) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Jonah Antonio (20) shoots over defense from NC State guard Cam Hayes (3) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Ian DuBose (11) is fouled as he grabs a rebound by NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Dereon Seabron (1) shoots over defense from Wake Forest guard Jahcobi Neath (0) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Manny Bates (15) shoots over defense from Wake Forest forward Ody Oguama (33) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) is trapped by the defense of Wake Forest forward Ody Oguama (33) and forward Isaiah Mucius (1) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Jericole Hellems (4) shoots over defense from Wake Forest guard Daivien Williamson (4) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Shakeel Moore (2) shoots under defense from Wake Forest guard Jonah Antonio (20) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Manny Bates (15) shoots over defense from Wake Forest forward Ody Oguama (33) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Manny Bates (15) shoots over defense from Wake Forest forward Ody Oguama (33) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Jalen Johnson (2) dribbles the ball under pressure from NC State guard Dereon Seabron (1) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Dereon Seabron (1) shoots over defense from Wake Forest center Emmanuel Okpomo (30) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State head coach Kevin Keatts speaks with guard Cam Hayes (3) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest head coach Steve Forbes speaks with guard Daivien Williamson (4) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest's Ian DuBose passes under pressure from N.C. State's Dereon Seabron.
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Wake Forest guard Daivien Williamson (4) shoots under defense from NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) and guard Dereon Seabron (1) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Isaiah Mucius (1) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward D.J. Funderburk (0) pressures Wake Forest guard Carter Whitt (35) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Manny Bates (15) blocks a shot from Wake Forest forward Ismael Massoud (25) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Jalen Johnson (2) battles NC State forwards Jericole Hellems (4) and D.J. Funderburk (0) for a rebound on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Carter Whitt (35) pressures NC State forward Manny Bates (15) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State forward Manny Bates (15) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Jahcobi Neath (0) attempts to steal the ball from NC State guard Chase Graham (12) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State head coach Kevin Keatts fist bumps Wake Forest head coach Steve Forbes after the Wolfpack defeated the Demon Deacons 80-62 on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Daivien Williamson (4) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Isaiah Mucius (1) shoots over defense from NC State guard Cam Hayes (3) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Dereon Seabron (1) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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NC State guard Shakeel Moore (2) shoots under defense from Wake Forest center Emmanuel Okpomo (30) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest guard Ian DuBose (11) shoots after he was fouled by NC State forward Jaylon Gibson (11) on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Wake Forest forward Isaiah Mucius (1) shoots on Saturday, Feb. 20, 2021 in Winston-Salem, N.C.
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